Nothing Was Biting: Fisherman Casts And Hooks A Drone

August 15, 2015

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This is a video of a disgruntled fisherman casting at and successfully hooking Youtuber Tice Ledbetter's drone on a San Diego pier. Admittedly, that cast was pretty amazing. Maybe if he could cast like that all the time he'd have more fish in his bucket. I remember one time when I was fishing as a kid I got my hook stuck in my older cousin's ear. She was not happy about that at all and still won't talk to me at family reunions. Plus, okay, one time I did accidentally crush her hand in a sliding minivan door too.

Keep going for the video, as well as the video of what Tice Ledbetter was trying to capture in the first place. Then argue in the comments about what's considered appropriate drone use while I sit back and have no part of it.

Thanks to bark, which I can't because I'm a cat. Knead your belly instead?

  • The_Wretched

    Drones are just asking to be taken down. Run your robot invaders near me at your peril.

  • Tyguy

    I really thought he would start reeling the drone in. Did the line break or something?

  • Tara Wuennenberg

    Regardless of the public/private debate, it's actually illegal to be flying a drone with a camera so close to a populated area.

    There are specific rules and regulations in place that outline when and where you are allowed to fly.

    Drones that are flown for recreational purposes (aka flying it for the sake of flying it) can be done with very little restrictions. But as soon as you add a camera to it, you are no longer flying it recreationally and are subject to the rules and regulations set out by the FAA (in the US - https://www.faa.gov/uas/ ) and Transport Canada (in Canda - http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civ...

    It's amazing how many people don't know this!

  • Brandon Turner

    I don't see that in the link provided.

    Pertaining to taking pictures/video all i found was this:

    For example, using a UAS to take photos for your personal use is recreational; using the same device to take photographs or videos for compensation or sale to another individual would be considered a non-recreational operation.

    So shooting video and uploading it to youtube or other sites is still recreational and not for profit.

    Other guidelines it states:

    Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of surrounding obstacles

    Keep the aircraft within visual line of sight at all times

    Remain well clear of and do not interfere with manned aircraft operations

    Don't fly within 5 miles of an airport unless you contact the airport and control tower before flying

    Don't fly near people or stadiums

    Don't fly an aircraft that weighs more than 55 lbs

    Don't be careless or reckless with your unmanned aircraft – you could be fined for endangering people or other aircraft

    from the website: http://knowbeforeyoufly.org...

    it states:

    Follow community-based safety guidelines, as developed by organizations such as the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA).

    Fly no higher than 400 feet and remain below any surrounding obstacles when possible.

    Keep your sUAS in eyesight at all times, and use an observer to assist if needed.

    Remain well clear of and do not interfere with manned aircraft operations, and you must see and avoid other aircraft and obstacles at all times.

    Do not intentionally fly over unprotected persons or moving vehicles, and remain at least 25 feet away from individuals and vulnerable property.

    Contact the airport or control tower before flying within five miles of an airport.

    Do not fly in adverse weather conditions such as in high winds or reduced visibility.

    Do not fly under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

    Ensure the operating environment is safe and that the operator is competent and proficient in the operation of the sUAS.

    Do not fly near or over sensitive infrastructure or property such as power stations, water treatment facilities, correctional facilities, heavily traveled roadways, government facilities, etc.

    Check and follow all local laws and ordinances before flying over private property.

    Do not conduct surveillance or photograph persons in areas where there is an expectation of privacy without the individual’s permission (see AMA’s privacy policy).

  • Tara Wuennenberg

    I'm sorry, it's possible the recreational aspect is not clearly laid out in the links I provided.

    That information came from my dad, who is a civil aviation inspector for Transport Canada. He is responsible for General Flight Standards and specifically the regulation of civil UAS and the standardization of UAS access into Canadian Domestic Airspace.

    I had a discussion with him about this exact aspect not too long ago, as I am a photographer and though it would be neat to use a UAS to get pictures.

    The way it was explained to me, and the way I understand it, is that as soon as you attach a camera to the unmanned aircraft you are no longer using the UAS recreationally. You might be using the UAS to take photos/videos recreationally. But you are no longer using the aircraft for the recreational purpose of just flying it, it's being used for additional purposes.

    But I'll double check with him to make sure that I am understanding that right. It's possible that the regulations regarding the interpretation of "recreational" could be different in the US as well.

  • The_Wretched

    Why do you want to film people so badly?

  • Leland_Gaunt

    I love how the asshole operating it, after clearly seeing it was being damaged, then proceeds to fly it right over a crowd of people. Nice regard for the safety of others...

  • don satow

    If the camera was operated by a human being and they were taking a video of the surrounding surf, would it be ok for the fisherman to try and yank the camera into the ocean? Of course not. Everyone has the right to film off the public pier.

  • The_Wretched

    I could ask the guy on the pier to leave me out of the shot, ask for relevant licenses and have the responsible party on hand if a problem happens. I could also quiz them on their understanding of relevant law. Put the operator somewhere else and it's a different game.

  • don satow

    You would stop a family of vacationers on that pier, taking family photos, to ask them if they have permits, do they have licenses, do they know the law? What if they said no? Would you go over and break their camera?

  • The_Wretched

    You know it's not legal to take pics of folks in many places? Having the chance to talk to them is more than not havinga chance.

  • don satow

    Yes, and those places are usually posted or have security warnings that you may not take photos. An individual does not have an expectation of privacy in a public place.

    A public place is generally an indoor or outdoor area, whether privately or publicly owned, to which the public have access by right or by invitation, expressed or implied, whether by payment of money or not, but not a place when used exclusively by one or more individuals for a private gathering or other personal purpose.

    Generally, a private place refers to a place that is exclusively used by one or more individuals for a private gathering or other personal purpose. It is some place to which the public does not have free access.

    You know that there are dozens of cameras taking video of people all over the world for the past 20-30 years. Cameras in parking lots, ATMs, entrances to stores, gas stations, on ski lifts, top of buildings, looking out from windows, at amusement parks, etc. All automated and without anyone to ask not to take the photo.

  • The_Wretched

    Business security cams get a special break.

  • don satow

    Not all the cameras I noted are security cameras. Ski lift cameras are usually to show off the amount of snow on the web. Cameras on top of buildings to show off that location (like a view of Times square).

    For example:

    http://tahoetopia.com/webcams are cameras fro Lake Tahoe.

    http://www.earthcam.com/usa... are cameras in New York

    http://www.earthcam.com/usa... is Wrigley Field in Chicago

  • The_Wretched

    How about it's reasonable to expect cameras at a bank and venues where the public wants to amass or would expect cameras but not in places like sunbathing, hikes in the forest or in the bowl of a toilet (this exists)?

  • don satow

    Restrooms are considered always private though they may not be privately owned. In all the laws I have seen, restrooms and bathing facilities are specifically outlined. Unless the forest or the sunbathing place is private property, they are considered public.

  • The_Wretched

    You're coming back a year later?

    If you're at a nude beach (like much of Europe), you'd find it normal to be seen by the people there (what a few to hundreds at most). You'd not find it normal for a camera crew to record you and post your nudes to the interwebs for cash. Flying cameras (controlled by perverts or not) are new and ethically and morally (and legally in certain circumstances) should not be zipping around recording people.

  • don satow

    Yeah, been a bad year. From pets getting sick, appliances breaking down and flooding my kitchen, to getting laid off, My mind's been elsewhere and I just remember this post after Discus said 'new reply!' Lol.

    I agree, that nudity/sex holds too much sway in the US. A 4 year old boy kisses a 4 year old girl on the cheek and its wrong because its sexual harassment yet its fine to have them play games like Halo? But that's a different argument and one I'd likely agree with you.

    Most of the nude postings are illegal, and legal sites are forced to take them down or be subject to confiscation and fines. There have even been arrests. Unfortunately, the bad sites make the damage highly probable and profitable for the criminal. Most of those sites are quasi-legal and skirt the law saying their boards are 'unmonitored'. They remove the posts when told, but they spring up a few days later again.

    Cameras and privacy is not a new thing. For example, dashboard car cameras have been around before flying cameras. Does a person in a car need to stop and ask permission of a person walking on a sidewalk if they drive by with a camera on?

    Here's a question: What about if I take a picture of two people kissing in the street? Do I need to blur out every person in the photo even though its public on the street?

  • The_Wretched

    Like all other privacy matters, a once and incidental isn't much of an issue. Say a drone cam pans across a crowd and you can barely make out a tenth of the people in review and any one person is filmed for a fraction of a second. That information and invasion of privacy is minimal. Change that scenario to a neighbor filming your wife sunbathing or following your daughter for 2 hours as she plays in the neighborhood and which friends she visits for how long.

    Drones are also hard to hold accountable. Some pervert doing upskirts is putting himself at some risk of being identified, shamed, or prosecuted. The same guy with a drone might use a shell corp to hide his ID and its s look up with the FAA to find out who has a drone and you might even have trouble finding out enough about a drone to allow the FAA to investigate a problem.

  • don satow

    Unless your wife is sunbathing out in public view, current laws make that illegal. If your child is playing out in the public, all sorts of people can follow your daughter and take pictures. Whether its a drone or not doesn't make it less disturbing.

    If a drone can do an upskirt without the person noticing, then there should be a law for that, maybe a restriction of operating a drone within a certain distance of a person (which is also a safety issue). Drones are noisy things. Movies and fictional tv shows make them quieter than they actually are.

    Drone don't have great range. At best 2 or 3 kilometers(max 1-2 mi, probably FCC restriction similar to walkie talkies). Drones don't have great airtime (about 20 minutes max). To get to those maxs, you have to shell out a lot of money which is easily traceable. In fact every circuit board in the drone is traceable to a manufacturer and from manufacturer to a seller to a buyer (from a direct site for the upper end models like the one used in the video).

    Most consumer drones have a range limit of about 1-2 hundred meters (about 3-7 hundred feet) and power life of about 10-15 minutes. You should be able to see the operator of the drone unless you are operating in a crowded environment. As far as hiding behind shell corps and the like, that's beyond the point, as anyone can do many things to hide their identity if they aren't spotted. A simple hoodie and dark sunglasses foils many a criminal investigation.

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