Feb 14 2010Palestinian Na'vi Protest Separation Barrier

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This is a group of Palestinian Na'vi protesting a separation barrier Israel has in place. I actually have no idea what a separation barrier is. Unless it's anything like a restraining order, in which case DAMNIT JULIE YOU KNOW I WALK MY DOG ON THAT STREET.

The demonstrators also donned long hair and loincloths Friday for the weekly protest against the barrier near the village of Bilin.


They equated their struggle to the intergalactic one portrayed in the film.

Israel says the barrier is needed for its security. Palestinians consider it a land grab.

The "Avatar" protest comes a day after the Israeli government began rerouting the enclosure to eat up less of the Palestinian village.

Did you know one time I dressed as a Smurf to protest my neighbor calling the cops every time he caught me stealing his electricity? I did. It wasn't very effective, but I did break a window and flood his basement with a garden hose when he was on vacation. Don't f*** with me, Gargamel!

Palestinian protesters pose as Na'vi from "Avatar"
[thedailyitem]
and
Palestinians dressed as the Na'vi from the film Avatar stage a protest against Israel's separation barrier [telegraph]

Thanks to Victor, CRIME, Grace and Shawn34, who protest the old fashioned way: dressed as Klingons. Nanu-nanu.

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

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lmao

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The separation barrier is there to impede the progress of peace-loving Palestinians who strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in an attempt to kill as many Israelis as possible.

double LOL!!!
(mind you, they're protesting israel "eating up" land that israel gave them as a good will gesture to begin with as israel owns the whole territory they're currently living in, but that's just a side note as they just look like angry smurfs to me in that picture. ;) )

Lasagna Hog, how will they get into israel to blow themselves up with a barrier in their way?? i totally understand them and would also totally do the whole smurf thing! :P

What?! No Ferngully protest?

What is this Avatar thing of which they speak? A movie of some sort?

Hey Lasagna Hog, let's give Palestinians as many weapons and arms as we have Israel. I'm sure if Hamas had free F-35s they wouldn't have suicide bombers.

Uh-oh..... Better be careful, GW. You know that any criticism of Israel pretty much equates you to Hitler & Goering.

You see, The Most Persecuted People in History (tm) have quite an attitude, as well as a very powerful lobby. Any suggestion that they're not perfect or have ever done anything evil (like using white phosphorous on civilians, blocking humanitarian aid, etc) means that you're just one of those awful anti-semites and deserve to die.

Palestinian supporters all whine the same the world over. boohhoohoe
With the same old nazi rethoric and the same old tired arguments.

Either they are muslims or extreme left / right wing Aholes

maybe they should take a vacation in Mexico and learn how to jump the border. No seperation barrier ever kept my gardener out before. Even his busboy cousin knows how to hop a fence.

I don't remember the part in Avatar where the Na'Vi refuse every major peace concession offered to them or voted as their ambassador the leader of an organization that demands the destruction of Israel. Huh, must have to stick around for the credits.

Also @ Conservatives Hate America just because it's trendy to buddy up with Palestine because it's the next bullshit Tibet for stupid pseudo-intellectual ultra-liberals doesn't make the opposition automatically on the opposite side of the political spectrum for you. You can have political leanings AND think for yourself. Imagine that!

I bet Quaritch would have loved for the Na'vi to blow themselves up. Maybe the Na'vi should try a Palestinian-themed protest.

YOU KNOW WHAT ???

Sometimes a pic speaks more than a long speech

http://www.europalestine.com/IMG/jpg/Evolution_palestine1946-200.jpg

what else...?

yeah very funny all of u pretending you know what is going over there ...as if they were "attacking" what so called Israel for fun ! you really need to know a little bit more... some education will not hurt . "and yes local TV channels are not considered education".

You guy are missing it, Pallywood is expanding from fiction to science fiction.
(google : Pallywood)

Go hang a salami.

They don't attack for fun, they attack because they don't acknowledge israel's right to exist (and guess what, israel doesn't ask them... it's kinda like the mexicans not acknowledging the USA's right to exist, imagine that. ;) )

Israel originally was given by the UN (when the UN still actually meant smth) to the jews & the arabs, to share actually (each were given territories etc... but i digress, you can wiki "Palestine" and read about the 1948 UN partition plans...)
israel wanted this to work but the arabs wanted nothing to do with them, not willing to share (reminder for all the people that weren't listening in class, israel was occupied by the turkish and later on by the british before given to the jews, the palastinians were not the rulers of "palastine" at any point, at least not in the last thousand years if i'm not mistaken, who ever states otherwise is simply misinformed), instead of just living with the israeli's as partners, the arabs attacked israel, again and again, mind you, israel kicked they're ass, this was way before they had any weapons or support from anyone else, just israel as a very new country vs egypt, jordan, syria etc... )
the israelis tried again and again to make some peace process work with them but they simply would not agree to anything.
reminder, when did you hear about the last israeli suicide bomber? (hint, never happened).

again, to help us get a clear picture of this, imagine what the US would do to mexico if they sent suicide bombers into texas.... and no, israel hasn't wiped the palastenians out, all they want at the moment is to create a barrier so that the palestiniens can't come in and blow them selves up on buses and in queues to enter night clubs as they've been doing for years...

but that's just from the top of my head, feel free to google some facts before you post some more ... mistakes...

WTF?

basically yes, epic fail at comparison with the navi.

The palestinians managed 3000 rockets against civilians in israel in a single year.
scaled up to american population numbers that is the equivalent of mexico firing 150,000 rockets at american towns in a year.

peace and love eh?

sorry, the palestinians teach their children hate. go to memri tv's website and take a look, hitler would be proud.

yes smart to palestinian people, there protes,like avatar,,,,there want freedome,,ISRAEL is kolonial.in modern era,......................give freedom to PALESTINE...

Congrads GW , they wanted media-attention - they get it - they wanted ignorant comments as well ? T.G. i can read events w/o lousy notes under . If u guys pretend 2 know that less - i feel even more sorry - than only by knowing you spend ur life waiting & dreaming of time-wasting gizmos & apple-crap .

How to take here anything serious from now on ??? How ? Brave New World - btfw : Wonder where the "bu$h-clit-on-Fund-for-haha-E.T.-Banners" are - since ur news cloning gayzmodo-site regular .

@ 27
lolz

So is it really a group if there are only five of them, 4 of which actually dressed up? It would have been easier to dress as Twilight vamps, all you have to do is roll around in glitter.

This should be classed as racism and they should all be arrested.

What'd be great would be people not talking a goddamned movie so fucking seriously anymore and not seeing fit to apply the pile of CGI'd crap to every scenario. Know what they're saying? 'We're better than you, see? We're like the blue cat people. You're like the humans who've got no morals whatsoever. Suck it."

I don't remember the Na'vi using their children as living bombs. Did I miss that part of the movie?

@24: 3000 rockets? Now lets look at the causalities:

Palastine: 12 civilians dead in 2 years.
Israel : 1000+ civilians in 2 weeks.

Enough said.....

And they teach their children to hate not because they are Jewish, but because they are being oppressed at every turn (Gazans aren't even allowed to get food = ghetto)

Both sides are taking bets right now who will be the first to get themselves a headshot of the over sized smurf!

Too funny. Glad to see most of the readers here have good heads on their shoulders. I'll take this kind of protesting over the usual "kill all jews" protesting. All in all, this is damn funny.

@33

With your logic the nazi's were right.
They also made the largest amont of victims.

Palestinians are nazi's who hate the juice as much as the nazi's.
The mufti of jerusalem was a close friend of hitler and who also had a say in how the holocaust was put together.

Nuff said....

Egypt has a border with gaza so why do they blok gaza?

So don't talk bullshit.

What is this. I don't even.

Not even going to bother commenting on the politics at work here, other than seconding that it's a ridiculous contradiction for people who routinely strap bombs to themselves to dress up as peaceful blue CGI cat people, and that people need to stop taking blockbusters so goddamned seriously. Like when some nutjob in my town decided to make a lot of posters with Obama in Joker make-up and the amusingly, face-palmingly oxymoronic caption "FASCIST COMMUNIST" and stick them freakin' everywhere. Lolwut.

Seriously, would-be protesters of the world, this sort of shit only makes you and your "cause" look even more idiotic, so I gotta ask: Why so serious about these movies, huh? /Why so serious?/ ≖_≖

I 'm not even going to try n pretend like i know anything bout the situation, becuse in reality i know what the news tells me and we all know they lie.

@ 37 Right there with you. All these groups just want media attention, they wnt their cause out there, but when they relate their cause to a movie or cartoon or wtvr, it looses it's importance i think.

A little more actual info: These are not actually Palestinians dressed as Na'Vi. It's a group of left wing Israelis who organized the rally along with Palestinians.

Some more "Actual info", it's a group of Palestinians who dressed up as Na'vi along with some Israeli left-wing extremest tree huggers. ;) (just to get the facts really right)

Wait. Palestinians have movies? 3D movies?

@36

Its worse than that, the grand mufti of jerusalem was responsible for his portion of the genocide, but also he helped set up the nazi muslim SS brigades. A convenient thing many muslims like to forget...or do they.

hitlers book sells rather too well in the arab/muslims world.

@33,

"@24: 3000 rockets? Now lets look at the causalities:

Palastine: 12 civilians dead in 2 years.
Israel : 1000+ civilians in 2 weeks."

sorry , your moral calculus is horribly wrong. It is intent that matters in this equation, the palestinians are murderous, but ineffective. the israelis lose men trying to minimize casualties going up against people that will booby trap houses with explosives in heavily populated areas with no regard for even their own civilians. no palestinian has ever sacrificed his life to preserve jewish lives. many jews on the other hand have. If the jews were as racist as the palestinians they would rely on nothing but air strikes, never having to risk a jews blood on the ground, but they don't do that, countless have been lost sending men in to heavily armed and booby trapped areas.

By your moral calculus japan in ww2 has higher moral ground than america. Do tell me how many american civilians died compared to japanese? Dont play the game of righteousness by death count, it simply doesn't work.

Right so...Zionists from Europe coming into Palestine claiming they own the land because Jews invaded it over 2000 years ago.

Israeli terrorists destroying 413 Arab villages, kicking out a million people from their homes and banning them from returning.

After stealing 78% of Palestine, then go onto build illegal settlements on what little land the Palestinians have left.

Using White phosphorous on civilians.

Bombing hospitals and civilian homes.

Banning free movement in their own country.

All of this has NOTHING to do with the plight of the Palestinians? It's actually just hatred of Jewish people? Who actually lived alongside Arabs in Palestine for over a thousand years.

Some of you truly are moronically deluded.

The above are FACTS, I wouldn't need to be antisemitic to fight Israel, there are far far many more reasons to fight them.


@Posthuman7 - I love you.

I don't know if the rest of your are trying to be sarcastic and funny, or if you are generally just stupid/oblivious to what is really going on over there.

Israel has a lot of thinks wrong with it. You only have to look at the death toll as a result of the recent 'Gaza war' (or should I say 'attack').

13 Israelis killed.
Over 1,400 Palestinians killed.

I don't feel the need to say much more.

Using white phosphorous sure is horrible in comparison to intentionally nuking a heavily populated city. Twice.

Wait.

And while we're on the subject, grandstanding total so far of DOCUMENTED civilian deaths in Iraq since the 2003 invasion by military and paramilitary forces - right around one hundred thousand. If you're counting in non-documented total civilian deaths in Iraq based on LOWEST estimates - you're looking at around 800K.

It would be really awesome if wars could be waged without collateral damage. It would also be awesome if we had chocolate milk rivers and marshmallow rainbows.

@45

yea, once again with the simplistic moral calculus of death count. The palestinians lose so many exactly because of their complete disregard for civilian life, whether Israeli or their own. If you fight in ways that garrantee you will have women and children as your cover you are to blame, no one else. But i guess thats the thing, they are never to blame, no matter how indiscriminately they fire on israeli civilians and hide behind their women and children in fights they will always be defended by apologists like you. In fact they count on it. and as we can all see, it works.

@44
There were always jews in that area. The ugly fact is a great portion of so called palestinians were not indigenous to the area either, like the jews they came in floods of immigration during the times of growth when the british allowed for unrestricted arab immigration. So its a rather convenient position to claim that only one people came in to take the land. It wasn't that way in reality. If they had agreed to the original deal the jews would have been left with 3 small islands of land as israel. But they refused even that from day one, now they pay for their inability to accept peace. If breeding the next generation of hitler youth (google memri tv) results in further bloodshed it is on their heads, not the israelis.Frankly you can quibble with many things israel has done, but the palestinians by acting so much worse...beyond the pale really have made it impossible to defend them with a straight face. It is possible to twist a people with such vicious hate that they cannot be trusted wtih peace, and all the bloodshed that results from that is on their hands. The palestinians have chosen their lot. They chose violence and hate. What they reap now is on them. you might quibble with this or that action, but like it or not, israeli soldiers are sent to die to minimize civilian casualties. If israel adopted the same moral standards as the palestinians they'd simply indescribably bomb and shell the palestinians into submission with all their might. That would be the distorted so called equal or lesser moral footing people like you would like to claim about the israelis. This is the fundamental difference, and you know it. but hate warps reason.

to put it simply. If you care so much about civilian casualties, how the hell do you defend the side that has no standards at all about attacking civilians, and don't care at all about hiding behind even their own. in fact they love to martyre their own as it gets folks like you to defend them.

@45

Also, tens of thousands of kurds have died at the hands of the turks. The kurds claim their homeland is being occupied, and historically it is, iran iraq and turkey occupy their land. Yet folks like you always harp only about israel. It is a funny thing, all the boycotts and frothing of the mouth when such hypocrisy exists, but it really comes down to something deeper. There really is a special standard for the jews, that is at the heart of the matter. if the scale of hate spewed at israel were scaled up to fit say the kurdish or other death counts you would have middle easteners spewing blood at the tv screen. but in reality we have nothing. 1 million villagers dispossessed, villages destroyed in the hunt for terrorists in pakistan? countless dead... silence. why? jew free zone. ugly fact of the matter.

the special hate infects and distorts all discussion and reason.

@48

In October 1882 Ben-Yehuda and Yehiel Michal Pines, two of the earliest Zionist pioneers in Palestine, wrote describing the indigenous Palestinians:

". . . There are now only five hundred thousand Arabs, who are not very strong, and from whom we shall easily take away the country if only we do it through stratagems [and] without drawing upon us their hostility before we become the strong and populous ones."

Israel Zangwill, who had visited Palestine in 1897 and came face-to-face with the demographic reality. He stated in 1905 in a speech to a Zionist group in Manchester that:

"Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having fifty-two souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews ..... [We] must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the [Arab] tribes in possession as our forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population"

In 1891Ahad Ha'Am similarly wrote of the Palestinians:

"If a time comes when our people in Palestine develop so that, in small or great measure, they push out the native inhabitants, these will not give up their place easily."

On March 1, 1899 Yosef Diya al-Khalidi (from the renowned Jerusalem family) wrote in a letter to Theoder Herzl explaining that Zionism in practice entails the dispossession and the displacement of the Palestinian people, he wrote:

"It is necessary, therefore, for the peace of the Jews in [the Ottoman Empire] that the Zionist Movement . . . stop. . . Good lord, the world is vast enough, there are still uninhabited countries where one could settle millions of poor Jews who may perhaps become happy there and one day constitute a nation. . . .. In the name of God, let Palestine be left in peace."

Moshe Sharett, the first Israeli foreign minister, wrote in 1914:

We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture ..... Recently there has been appearing in our newspapers the clarification about "the mutual misunderstanding" between us and the Arabs, about "common interests" [and] about "the possibility of unity and peace between two fraternal peoples." ..... [But] we must not allow ourselves to be deluded by such illusive hopes ..... for if we ceases to look upon our land, the Land of Israel, as ours alone and we allow a partner into our estate- all content and meaning will be lost to our enterprise.
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Just some quotes by well known Zionists.

What is more probable? That Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and the Northern Arabian Peninsula were densely inhabited by Arabs, but that somehow, miraculously, amazingly, it just so happened that the land Zionists were hoping to conquer was empty? That Jerusalem, a holy site for three major religions, Hebron, the Fertile Valley, were actually, amazingly, desolate.

I mean what a coincidence! It just so happened that the Zionists only wanted that bit! It's almost a miracle! Oh no, the Arabs have realised they forgot to live in the most important part of that region all these centuries (Crusades...who fought them? The Japanese?) and now they must move in to stop the Jooooz!!

Or, is it more likely and probable, that Zionists wanted that land, and dealt with the British, lobbied for decades to try and secure it, regardless of the population, who were mostly farmers. Additionally, do Europeans have more right to it than neighbouring peoples?

Start living in the real world. To simply say "they hate the Jews! they kill! they don't value life!" simply confirms you as, in the most accurate terminology: An Idiot.

@Fred

There is no special hate.

The Israelis believe a Jew born in New York has more right to land in Palestine, than a Palestinian family living in that very land, and has been for centuries.

The Zionist movement believes IT is special.

This is why its' exceptional, the other areas of the world regard the people living there, a localized conflict involving the LOCALS.

The remarkable thing about Israel is that a Palestinian can't build a house on his grandfathers land, but sees a white American who doesn't speak a word of the regions dialects, freely building away, thousands of them.

Don't pretend for a moment that the other conflicts somehow match up in injustice. That deception is insidious.

There have been recorded incidents, even video incidents of Israelis using civilians as human shields.

There is no record of Palestinians doing this at all.

It is Israeli propaganda. That's the nature of it, as soon as you hear the Israelis' speak English, use your terminology and accent, then you believe them.

But no groups, either AI, the UN, or the Red Cross etc. have investigated and confirmed the allegations. The same cannot be said for Israel.

That logically means AI, THE rc AND UN are Hitler youth...lol

I wonder what you'd say to the thousands of Israeli citizens who gave up their citizenship because of Israels crimes.

Look them up, they are numerous. I suppose they are Jewish Hitler youth? you make me laugh.

Palestinians fire rockets. Where to? Ashkelon......what was Ashkelon before? An Arab city called Al-Majdal - in 1948, Jewish terrorists attacked it, killed several hundred civilians, and most fled for their lives. They then renamed it Ashkelon.

If you're a refugee for being brutally cleansed from your homeland, how would you view "Ashkelon"?

http://lw.palestineremembered.com/Safad/Safad/Picture2677.jpg

Another Arab village, now a Jewish one. Did the Arabs willingly pack up and go?

Those ungrateful jewish (or i rather say Zionis) is committing mass-murder in the name of peace. It's not their land. They have been cursed for centuries because of their greed & sin. And their Torah isn't genuine anymore.. those rabbi already modified the Torah's content to suit their evil plan.. While I dont like what Hitler do in Second World War, I think those Zionis using that as their reasoning..

In the end, those Zionis will fall, again and again. History WILL repeats itself. Amen.

Navi's ? or a bunch of Smurfs ?

@54 co-sign

wasn't it the rats in Secret of NIMH who stole teh electricity? not smurfs? JUST WANT TO GET MY FACTS STRAIGHT HERE

, you're so gullible if you really believe those "facts"...
"There have been recorded incidents, even video incidents of Israelis using civilians as human shields." - interesting, could you please provide us with any records of israelis using their own population as human shields they way the palestinians do, or is that yet another figment of your slightly over active imagination?

"There is no record of Palestinians doing this at all." -
What are you talking about? the hamas has been proud for years about the fact that they've been using human shields.
furthermore, even the palestinian authority have been stating that hamas was using the gaza civilian population as human shields

"Hamas turned Gaza into one big military base. The Palestinian Authority itself said that for years Hamas used "property and homes as military installations from which the group would launch rockets into Israel, dig tunnels and store arms. According to the victims, those who tried to object were shot in the legs by Hamas operatives."

honestly, these are known facts, but they don't surprise at all, what else can you expect from people who send their own children to blow them selves up on buses and in malls where they can get the most civilian casualties possible...

not saying that living in gaza is a vacation, it's a slum, but this has nothing to do with israel, the fact that their own administration and hamas have been siphoning any money that was given to them for years is really sad and i feel sorry for them, look at the homes of the their leaders then look at how the people are treated by their own.
israel has allowed access of palestinians into israel for years to work, the only time they close the access is after they yet again, blow themselves up.
the palestinian anger is misdirected towards people who for years have been trying to make peace with them, and they have been only replying with more suicide bombers and more rocket launches...
do you know of ANY other country that wouldn't bomb them into oblivion by now?
israel sends their own people in on foot while they have the fire power to clear that whole area of any living thing.

your view of the whole situation is either irrationally biased or simply too childish to understand. but if and when you open your eyes and look at the pure hard facts and not only what you see on tv or told by "people who understand", you just might get it...

we'll be here for you when you do. :)


@54 you're a moron but you make me smile. <3

While we're on the subject, when is the US planning to give the illegally occupied Texas back to Mexico?

Because, man, you guys have been occupying it for a while.

You know, all you "Israel is a golden halo of perfection" posters simply prove my point, which is that any criticism of Israel brings out the squawk-box in you & you stop thinking.

And because I point this out, I must be all goody-goody w/ the Palestinians. Why? Because anyone who doesn't throw themselves to the ground & start licking the boots of the IDF must be a suicide bomber.

The real situation is that the world is not made up of black-and-white. Yes, I know that there are Palestinians who subscribe to this world-view as well. Big whoop. The difference is that the pro-Israelis have access to _billions_ of dollars, which they spend in America on lobbyists, media outlets & many other forms of subtle propaganda that it drowns out any meaningful dialogue.

There simply is no way to discuss this issue w/o the shrill, irrational & extremist crowds who cannot stand the thought that Israel have ever perpetrated atrocious human rights violations, let alone be held accountable for them. Of course, they scream & bitch at the Holocaust Deniers, who are nothing but chuckleheads. When they act in the same chuckle-head fashion, denying the pogroms they've perpetrated, etc, just try to call them on it. I mean, just look at the vitriol spewed on a silly post about some random folks in Palestine. Just imagine what happens in places where it really matters.

Am I pro-Palestinian? Hardly. That's patently absurd. Do I think that the Israelis are capable of great evil, the kind of evil that leads to genocide? I think it is self-evident.

@ fred, 24, the palestinian people never had the ability to teach their children anything because they are an oppressed people who do not have all the rights they should have.

@ BeNJ, 22, who is the UN to decide that it would be ok for israel to take someones land. that is where they live, how would you like it if someone came up to you and told you that you have to share the house that you built with your own hands with someone who hasnt done anything beneficial for society... ever

@ Julesiebean, 31, they are comparing themselves to the navi because they feel as if the israelis came to their land, oppressed them, took all their land and destroyed it. they removed the olive trees that poeple have been picking for thousands of years.. these trees dated back to the times of mohammad and even jesus... so YES, they can compare themselves to the navi,, everything they live for has now been destroyed by israel...

@ Broishue, 33, you accidentally flipped the numbers.. israel had 12 casualties in 2 years.. palestine had 1000+ deaths

@ afartar, 36, egypt, jordan and syria have all opened their borders for palestinain refugees... the people who stayed in gaza are the ones who want to stay because they feel like they would be betraying their land if they do.. they would admit defeat that way..

@ fred, 42, hitlers book sells in the arab world because unlike other cultures out there.. we like to get educated.. we like to learn about history.. we arent forced to..

@ ca11, 43, the palestinians would not risk their lives for a jewish person because there is no threat against jewish people... no one is threatening the israelis... the palestinians, however, are constantly being beaten and treated like DOG SHIT... it is only the smart israelis who are standing up for the palestinians... plus, havent uyou heard about gaza... israel did use air strikes to destroy that city and kill 1000s of people...

i dont know what else to say... i based these answers on my own personal experiences living as a palestinian in Jordan.

@58 You said: "do you know of ANY other country that wouldn't bomb them into oblivion by now?"

Very interesting where your history begins.

Do you any people in the entire world that would give up their country, become a minority and lose their rights?

Do you know of ANY people in the world that wouldn't fight to stop that from happening?

That's when it begins. Not after Palestine was robbed, pretending that Israel was always there.


@52
lol, of course the palestinians dont use human shields. They simply blow up as many people as they can. Why would they need a human shield to do that?
the rest of your post was pretty much unrelated to what i was talking about:P

@51
There is indeed a special hate. When there are more resolutions brought up against israel than any other country in existence, a country of 6 million gets more hate spewed on it than places like saudi arabia or north korea you know something is rotten to the core.

don't even bring up hypocrisy, in the lands around it muslims have special rights in a way that makes anything the israelis do look rather minor.

@50
you are cherry picking history for your silly quotes. there were many factions in early jewish israeli history. a complicated reality you'd rather ignore, and the ugly fact was that the muslim populations would consistently massacre jews from time to time which only brought the jews together into self defense groups leading to the eventual war. the reality is that the grand mufti agreed to his portion of the final solution and helped setup muslim SS brigades for the fuher. most of the land that was to be israel was purchased. and it was the palestinians who blinded with hate ensured no peace would ever be viable.

do you really want some offensive quotes?
how about from the koran.
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
ar is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 7:4-5
"Taste the doom for what ye used to earn." 7:39
Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71
Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
i stop here, there are simply too many.

@62

They may have their grievances, but their behavior is on the order of something so horrific through the last couple decades that they have frankly given up the right to complain about anything. the reality of the world is borders are redrawn and people do become dispossessed when they lose wars. Its why large parts of poland, germany and other countries had their borders moved by significant amounts after war. there is no right to return now for any of the dispossed. sometimes you give up that right because of your conduct. palestinians poisoning generation after generation and causing endless suffering for the entire population as a whole with their positions and actions have given up the right to complain as victims.'

@61

oh they teach them plenty, look at memri tv, they are so brazen about their teaching of hate at all levels of society that they don't bother hiding it at all, it has become natural, accepted norm.

lol, your excuse for why hitlers book sells well there is pathetic. you know very well why it sells. educated? when a huge portion of your population can't even get the facts right for something that happened a mere decade ago aka 9/11 was "done by the jews" bit the idea of the arab/muslim world being educated is simply laughable. when your narrative of history is based on absurd conspiracy and hateful lies there is no reason to even pretend your opinion has any credibility.

and no, the palestinians don't risk their lives for israelis because they are filled with hate. palestinians even those who are enemy fighters get israeli medical aid in medical facilities at times. the palestinians never minimize civilian casualties because their entire mentality is built around the idea that maximizing civilian casualties is the goal. it is the core hypocrisy of the palestinians. gaza? please, if israel were like the palestinians the death count would simply be much higher. When palestinians hide behind women and children of course the death count is high. but when you fire thousands of rockets at israeli civilians you can expect a response. i'm sorry, you don't get to cry victim when the palestinians had the murderous intent of killing as many civilians as they could with rockets. that the israelis kept their people safe in bomb shelters does not tilt the moral calculus in the palestinians favor. you don't have to position your civilians for death like the palestinians cynically do in order to be on the good side. its the absurd distorted calculus of death count that would give nazi germany the high moral ground because clearly more german civilians died than british or american. there is no absurd obligation to make things "fair" by letting an equal amount of your civilians die to the enemy. the murderous intent of the palestinian rocket barrages said enough. that is the level of regard they had for civilian life. they are in no position to complain when their own die, esp when they hide behind them.

If these Arabs were really peaceful they would have lived in their own state (besides Jordan) since the late 40s instead of organizing hateful child brainwash and suicide terrorism. But they have never accepted Jews as neighbors. The whole "Palestinian" thing is a myth created by Muslim Arabs (among them several nazis like Amin Al-Husseini) as a weapon against the infidels. Please read the charters of Fatah or Hamas. Virulent Jew-hatred, nothing else: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Btw, the majority of the population of Israel belongs to the Jewish communities expelled from the so-called Arab world during the 20th Century. They lived in North Africa, Egypt, Mesopotamia (Iraq) etc. long before the Arabs. Arabs came from Arabia as marauders and invaders during 7th Century CE and they still want to play top dogs. Even in the cities of Europe.

@Fred "lol, of course the palestinians dont use human shields....."

Thank you for finally admitting they don't use human shields.

Here are just a few examples of Israelis using human shields, often children:

No propaganda....just pure evidence. More than you will ever have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjEd4hJNVCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

More peaceful Israelis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LfZlRNdsQ


@Fred "There is indeed a special hate. When there are more resolutions brought up against israel than any other country in existence, a country of 6 million gets more hate spewed on it than places like saudi arabia or north korea you know something is rotten to the core."

Israel is an occupying force. It occupies with impunity. With more funding from America than all African and Asian nations combined. It continues to occupy. Shows no intent in returning stolen property, and denies Palestinians the right to live where they have done for centuries. And the worst bit, most Israelis belong elsewhere.

It's a no brainer...this is not an internal issue. The Saudis and Koreans are not invading and occupying and sending people to conquer land half way round the world, then denying its' own people their rights.

Quite an idiot you are if you think there's remotely a comparison.

@Fred "you are cherry picking history for your silly quotes. there were many factions in early jewish israeli history. a complicated reality you'd rather ignore, and the ugly fact was that the muslim populations would consistently massacre jews from time to time which only brought the jews together into self defense groups leading to the eventual war. the reality is that the grand mufti agreed to his portion of the final solution and helped setup muslim SS brigades for the fuher. most of the land that was to be israel was purchased. and it was the palestinians who blinded with hate ensured no peace would ever be viable."

Cherry picking? You are a joke...a bad one. Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, Ben Gurion, the first leader of the Zionist State...they were the leaders of this movement. They were from Europe.

The FOUNDER of Zionism: "We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back."

Hmmm...I wonder if I would welcome a burglar if he was being "gentle" about it.

This was a determined, massively funded movement. What do you think their plan would be if in the event the Palestinians were aware of it fully? Cancel it all...and remain in Europe? The unfortunate answer is no. The fraudsters instead became outright robbers.

By the way, Jews have been living in Jerusalem with Arabs since the 7th century. In the 6th century they weren't allowed to even enter the city, banned by the Christian Byzantines. The Arabs actually lifted the ban, and let them live and work in the whole of Palestine.

Quite ironically, the longest sustained period of Jewish settlement in Palestine has been under Arab rule. Not even Jewish Kings of old could manage anything close to that.

Jewish Kings, who by the way, stole the land from the Canaanites. Promised Land...you know...by definition not yours yet.

The Palestinians themselves are an amalgamated mix. A third are Christians, who are the same people genetically to the Muslims. Meaning...they are mostly NOT from invading Arabians. Arabic is just a language...it says nothing about Arabs as much as speaking english says about your Britishness.


@Fred

Your Quran quotes are frankly below commenting on. There is so much fault in your logic that it seems pointless for me to reply.

So many things go through my mind: Like the first Palestinian militant attacks after Israel was created was by a Christian Palestinian group, led by George Habash. Who must have had a strange doctrine where they followed the Gospel of the Koran....oh wait, Greek Orthodox Church. Doh!

And that Fatah was a secular organization, in power for over 30 years.

Yasser Arafat had a Christian wife.

Out of the Palestinian refugees..over a million are Christians.

And so on....

I could of course also quote some Bible verses such as:

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?' But don't be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes! And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt. The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)

When you go to attack a city, first give its people a chance to surrender. If they open the gates and surrender, they are all to become your slaves and do forced labor for you. But if the people of that city will not surrender, but choose to fight, surround it with your army. Then, when the Lord your God lets you capture the city, kill every man in it. You may, however, take for yourselves the women, the children, the livestock, and everything else in the city. You may use everything that belongs to your enemies. The Lord has given it to you. That is how you are to deal with those cities that are far away from the land you will settle in.
But when you capture cities in the land that the Lord your God is giving you, kill everyone. Completely destroy all the people: the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the Lord ordered you to do.
(Today's English Version: Deuteronomy 20:10-17)


But then...if I used those quotes from the Jewish Idiots Guide to Colonialism, you'd say the Israelis havn't done that and don't follow that creed, to which I would repeat the quotes by the famous Zionist Israel Zangwill, a partner of Herzl, the founder of Zionism.

"There is. . . a difficulty from which the Zionist dares not avert his eyes, though he rarely likes to face it. Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having 52 souls to every square mile, and not 25 percent of them Jews; so we must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the tribes in possession as our forefathers did, or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan.. . . This is an infinitely graver difficulty than the stock anti-Zionist taunt that nobody would go to Palestine if we got it. . . .15"


Frankly, I've given too many logically, rationally and evidenced proofs. I am increasingly accepting that you perhaps have almost no intelligence to deal with it.

@Fred et al.

I am curious as to why you think the Mufti of Jerusalem who supported Hitler to expel invaders into Palestine, instead of supporting the British who were shipping Zionists - thousands by the months - into Palestine is at all surprising.

It's baffling why this is a cause for concern. It certainly wasn't for anyone at the time.

Even so: I am at a loss for words on why this is even relevant. An unelected Palestinian voices support for something, by himself. In fact, he was Grand Mufti...a title appointed by the BRITISH OCCUPIERS at the time.

Therefore, logically: All Palestinians should have their country stolen, homes possessed, land robbed and denied the right to return. Is this the best case you can come up with?

Germany should lose no land for the ELECTED Nazi party? For Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels? For invading countries? Should Italy who nationally, officially supported Nazism lose no land? But one Palestinian cleric is enough to steal 80% of Palestine?

In that case, it would seem the Palestinians due to one persons' actions, have paid a heavier price than Germany...for Nazism. Than Italy and Japan. Than all the spies, double agents and sympathisers in Europe combined.

Please...do not consider a career in law...or anything to do with justice...or morality.

I've left the final blow to your idiocy in this comment.

Zionism began before Nazism, before riots, immigrations, before Grand Mufti Husayni, before any holocausts or massacres.

Zionist Fanatics were determined to win war booty, without fighting. When they learned of their own stupidity, they instead did it the old fashioned way...good old insanity.

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